How DARE she! A Christian woman too? Well, I never..

 What could it have been to make a Christian woman like me, with a Christian blog say something so dastardly as this?

I’ve just read through all of Crimson Viceroy’s comments again. SSM, I encourage you to have HHG read through them.
You have daughters as I do. I will do everything in my power to keep my daughters from ever being in the company of this person. From ever having to listen to the poison that drips from a being like this’ lips.
I don’t remember him from the previous blog. I must say, I’ve not read anything as disgusting as what he has yammered on about. Talk about misogyny…my goodness.
I am ever repulsed by the self righteous blather by someone like this, void of grace for any woman. As if women are not God’s children as well.
All are fallen you self righteous hypocrite, CV, you are a worthless piece of shit.
I implore you, SSM, do not entertain this type of evil.

I stand by what I wrote. I publicly apologize if I made another foot stumble with the words I used.
Before I allow this post to be tl/dr, with the very long winded rants of the man who drew my ire I'll premise it with this comment for you to keep in mind by Jack Amok over at Alpha Game:

What you're hearing is the rallying cry of the Red Pill Gamma. "It's all hopeless and someone else is to blame. Oh, woe is me, let's wallow in my misery."

Gamma = heterosexual male with feminine thought patterns. Gammas lack the self-motivational drive of "normal" men to be in at least some control of their own destinies. They look for someone else to solve their problems for them, and therefore someone else to blame when their problems don't get solved.

Absent significant rewiring of their brains (which may actually be possible, I'm not sure one way or the other at this point), they are incapable of using Game because they incapable of commanding their own lives.

So Red Pill Gammas are among the most wretched creatures, because they have seen the truth and realize they are SOL. To make themselves feel better about their lot, they imagine that the Alphas and higher Betas who are successfully married are ultimately doomed. "Hypergamy will get them too, just you wait and see! Their happiness and success is a lie! A lie I tell you!"

I mock and derride Gammas as a service to the rest of the spectrum, so that the bitterness doesn't dissuade someone capable of using Game to better his life.

What kind of reaction should a man receive who proselytizes the rejection of marriage? There is some truth in what he writes. I don't deny the sad state of our society. It's the statements revealing his true objective I find so disgusting. It is the verbal diarrhea that makes me want to hurl, that I indeed do not want my daughters to encounter, and that I want my son to read and mock. 

The following are excerpts from Crimson Viceroy, highlighted are the links to the comments.

There are guys out there who learn female nature so well..that they realize in the end…they just aren’t worth the effort..period. Those men have transcended into a state where such banal, base, plebian needs are no longer a concern for them anymore. My hats off to the intrepid and highly intelligent young men out there actively going at it alone[...] 

[...]In the end, it really is the only way to go because percentage of men who are able to reprogram their masculinity after a LIFETIME of feminization is very small..hence why they become alpha’s. Sure you can fake it till you make it, but that’s not really going to do much except forestall the impending doom of divorce and lifetime alimony and child support payments. If I am referred to as a beta for following God, then so be it..let me do it alone then, as Apostle Paul did. His reward was in Heaven, not between a woman’s legs. Women, in general, have made it clear that they don’t want a whole heck of a lot to do with most of us, so why would we continue to try and figure out what they really want (masculine frame)? Seems to me that we are just trying to come up with more ways to spoil them. Since when did it become a man’s prerogative to continuously learn new ways in which to give women what 1. they say they want or 2. what they don’t say, but they want?

SSM – sorry to highjack the thread and fire another volley in the Game War, but I’d rather suffer breaching the “cease fire” rather than remaining silent. Most of the good guys have remained silent all our lives and it has led us into this mess in the first place. Thanks for all that you do. 

So it’s either you are a bitch (game up shaming) or brute (man up Churchian shaming)? Some deal, deti. The problem with Game is that it has such a nebulous term and it is different from person to person. This discussion was fully discoursed at A Voice for Men, where Paul and other did a wonderful job basically discredting the entire notion. You make it sound like if men don’t learn Game, they will be losers for the rest of their life. By the way, if you are in the current economic climate, where it’s an employer’s market, you don’t have much of a choice. You can only stand your ground before your boss axes you for someone who will do the job for cheaper and without so much “game” and good luck trying to get alternative employment when jobs are still lagging in terms of sheer numbers. So men who don’t Game women, who don’t even bother with the SMP or MMP will be forever doomed to live in their “mom’s basement”? 

Spare us the “alpha man up” sermon, if we’re sick and tired of Churchian pastor’s manning us up, what the hell makes you think that we’re willing to listen to another “man up” sermon about how if we don’t learn Game our lives will be over? I’m not advocating the other camp where men come in and “save the day” by marrying carousel riders. But I’ll be damned if I “adapt” and give women what they hedonistically want. That’s just the same old tripe but with a new flavor. I value myself and who I have become through cultivating character through harsh trials and overcoming to simply “rearrange” myself so that I am more appealing to the opposite gender. My concern is solely with what God thinks of me, not the moisture level I induce between the legs of a woman. For true Christian men, God’s opinion of who they are should be at forefront of their minds, not chasing tail and “getting some trim”. Does this mean that they will live a life in solitude and celibacy..maybe/maybe not. But a righteous life lived for Christ is worth far more than a morally mediocre life with some sex on the side. I completely agree in raising awareness about the female dark side and warning men about their legal liabilities. Always amazing how whenever someone criticizes Game, they are automatically labeled as being a “beta-enabler”…this type of reductive binary thinking is the same as insinuating that anyone who is critical of the Democractic party or Obama is automatically a Republican supporter or Bush supporter. 

Men are adapting…WE’RE WALKING AWAY. We have our own salvation to consider and I’ll be damned (poetically and literally) should I continue to waste what precious little time I have left on the mortal coil having to reframe myself to be more pleasing to women. It’s one thing to say that you have to adapt to survive. Being with a woman is not tantamount to survival. Overcoming such a desire, however, would be adapting to survive. Because in this charred climate, no matter how much “Game” you have, a woman still has the authority to falsely accuse you of rape, divorce you, or threaten your employment with harassment accusations. All it takes is one slip. I’ve heard a woman, on a Christian blog, who would (behind her husband’s back). chide the husband for crying during his mother’s funeral…apparently men are supposed to always be strong. Only women are given the grace to grieve and weep. Don’t you know..it’s poor masculine frame to be in mourning for your mother or father. Go peddle the snake oil somewhere else. 

Letting go of bitterness, if you can even call it that, is not as easy as telling someone to simply “let go of bitterness” so please, save your Buddha delights for someone else [...] 

[...]If living life for God is not enough for a woman..nothing will EVER be. If that means the current generation of women are off the plate, so be it, brother. You only have one life to live and it’s not worth expending so much effort for a few hours a week (if even that much) for carnal pleasure. I feel your pain, bro. Unfortunately, this was the hand that was dealt to us and we can only trust in God. 

“I should give up on women altogether and await the rapture” nothing wrong with that brother…seriously speaking, Paul did and it was a life that was rewarded very richly in Heaven. 

If a man claims to be Christian and following Jesus than the overriding thought process should be upon what qualities God approves of, NOT upon what women find attractive. I already accepted their dark side and that’s why I’m letting men know that it’s a perfectly acceptable and noble option to leave them by the wayside. So no, there’s no beta-tude in me to wringing about how they are precious little flowers. Perhaps in this day and age, a man will have to ultimately come to decide upon whether or not he values his walk with Christ more so than his own desires of having a mate. Cause, deti, I agree with you that women don’t find such noble qualities attractive..something that they will have to sort out on their own. If my walk with God has to be jeopardized, even in the most remote sense, because I want women to be more attracted to me, than the answer is perfectly clear to me. A shame that the church or even individual Christian leaders can’t teach men that forgoing their deepest desires is something that may be a price they have to pay in order to follow God. Of course, everything I wrote on here, precludes that godly values and virtues are something that the individual reading the posts values. 

Frank, we are only screwed if we continue to care about what they want. Should they become meaningless in our lives because we found something better to pursuit, then the fact that they want hypermasculine men won’t mean a damn thing to us in the end. 

Frank, I have to agree with DS. You should pen your thoughts down. Try to present all sides of what you have found, both gamer and MGTOW. Your conjectures are on the spot regarding women’s masculinity. It’s an uphill battle and despite how badly your heart wants it and how badly we all want to think that marriage is viable, we have to eventually face reality for what it is. I’d hate to see a fellow chap waste and expend such effort for such minimal gain. If you do have extra money..ENJOY it. Travel, try new experiences, do some charity. Pray upon it and see where the Lord would want you to spend your time and money. I know that it won’t immediately sooth the longing in your heart, but you will find new meaning. Set your focus away from them, the way they are now, most women aren’t worth so much trouble. I’ve read your blog, and am honored to have met you. I look forward to seeing more posts. 

Observer, “The man must face up the possibility he will never marry, that the risk is too great and the reward too small. The men i know who embrace this option forge their own pathways of fulfilment. They are often great friends to have. The woman must face up to a childless spinsterhood of working until she retire with her cats. They are often difficult to work with and perpetually unhappy.” YESS!!! FINALLY I GOT THROUGH TO SOMEONE! Man, it was like talking into a black hole without any sort of confirmation whether or not my words would fall upon blind eyes or deaf ears. Cheers to you, Sir

I chimed in with the following: 

SSM, any man who has read the millions of words of masculine advice poured out on these blogs and still holds tight to their gamma nature, is not a man I would trust to provide strength and protection to my daughters. They will not change the culture nor the hypergamous nature of women. And I still contend that it is a disservice to coddle them in the “it shouldn’t be so” mantra instead of encouraging them to develop that which they need in order to get what they desire. Having nothing to do with the nature of women, we’re talking about men who don’t want to live the rest of their lives alone. See Matt King’s comments on ROK. Though it’s a rare occasion, I fully agree with what he said to you there.

And here's the last of CV's gammatude wisdom I'll highlight:

Frank, according to SD she needs a masculine man for her daughters so he can guide, lead and protect them…sounds like she’s looking for goat herder more than anything else...

 

Here's my response before I made the comment that has given several the vapors:

As for my daughters, it will be their father and their older brother who judge potential suitors, not me. And the parameters that must be met expand beyond our first world ideals. Our current polite society provides for the survival of men who would otherwise be known as eunuchs and treated as such in more impolite societies (a couple of which RLB has lived). Preparation for the decline and fall of our comfy cozy 1st world luxuries also dictates the high scrutiny regarding our daughters’ suitors.
But let me ask this, gentlemen, should you be looking for suitors for your daughter, what would you be looking for?

The answer to my final question remains...not guys like this.