The mentality of MGTOWs is the same as feminists. They are the cat ladies of the future. They hold to a moral mentality that has no basis in Christianity. Their view is a self preservation view. They don't want to lose money or have hurt feelings. They have no consideration of the future. It is all about them. They need to be happy now. MGTOWs choose masturbation over finding a wife. Soon, they will choose a sexbot. What man wouldn't want a sexbot? Pay once, unlimited orgasms. It's a great deal. Unless you listen to God.
When you listen to God, you realize that your orgasm isn't that important. Beating your own meat isn't the plan He had for you. God made men with an intense desire for sex. He also gave men a way to satisfy that desire. It's called marriage. Sex with a wife will always be better than masturbation. It will always be better than a prostitute or ONS/FWB. A wife is different. Especially a wife that submits to you as the spiritual leader of the family. When you have a sexual climax with your wife, you don't feel regret or shame. You are happy. You are happy in a spiritual way that doesn't happen any other way.
"You are a wicked and lazy servant." Heed this admonishment. Or don't, I don't care. I won't fail in being elite. I won't fail in succeeding where others don't. I will not whine and blame God for not having a wife. I spent the time and effort to find the wife I needed to proceed in life. I will scoff at those that don't. If you chose career, money, or feelings over finding a wife; that was your decision. Quit blaming others for your problems. If you don't want to leave your job to commit to finding a wife, that is your sinful nature. You suck; not God.
***A note from Sarah's Daughter***
Welcome to all of my new MGTOW visitors. Please note that this post was written by my husband, not me. Also, if you comment as "anonymous" your comment will be deleted.
Calm down.
ReplyDelete1st comment you've chosen to leave on our blog? Amusing.
DeleteI'm quite confident you and I will not see eye to eye nor respect each other. I already find you void of integrity (Dalrock's). Do move on.
Wow, who knew Mark Driscoll had a website like this...
ReplyDeleteI know most of the readership here hasn't a clue who Mark Dricoll is. Just to let you know that this is the newest mostest damning insult to be called. For the win.
DeleteI anticipate mostly nasty comments from those who are offended by you calling them out on their sin. The same people who have no problem calling women out on theirs. But I pray someone will hear this and heed the call of God on their life and fifty years from now will be a happy but battle hardened warrior for God with many arrows in his quiver.
ReplyDeleteNo worries. RLB's point has been well served. Based on what has come here to represent MGTOW that our son has read and laughed at, it is safe to say he'll never get behind a movement of such pathetic losers.
DeleteIf only for that reason it is worth it :)
DeleteThe arrows in the quiver don't necessarily come....
DeleteThat is the most discouraging part. A bit off topic for this blog, but look at my adoption blog if you want to read about that.
Adopted arrows are arrows. We are adopted by God. No difference.
Delete"The mentality of MGTOWs is the same as feminists. They are the cat ladies of the future. They hold to a moral mentality that has no basis in Christianity. Their view is a self preservation view. They don't want to lose money or have hurt feelings. They have no consideration of the future. It is all about them. They need to be happy now."
ReplyDeleteSo married Christians don't want self-preservation, do want to lose money and have hurt feelings, and are generally unhappy while thinking about the future? Well dang-darnit, sign me up then!
"When you have a sexual climax with your wife, you don't feel regret or shame. You are happy. You are happy in a spiritual way that doesn't happen any other way."
How does a need for deeper happiness, in the now, not point to what you consider a MGTOW, or feminist mentality?
While I may be a different Anonymous, I have to take issue with your post.
ReplyDeleteI agree that MGTOW is unbiblical. It's reactive to the current sexual/marriage market place that is without precedent and certainly unbiblical.
If you want a better understaning of what it's like to date presently please read Dalrock's "She needs more men". Sadly, he's not exaggerating in using the strip mining metaphor. He says it better than I ever could.
There is hope. Considering there's parity in the numbers of men and women, women will have to reconsider men they passed over.
In the meanwhile, it might just be a good idea for guys to rebuild their dignity and chill out.
Could this be His plan?
Why is it that women never get what's going on in the marriage market? The current shortage of husbands has little to do with the choices of men. The problem is how women percieve men. Or, more directly, how women don't percieve most men.
ReplyDeleteThere's no shortage of men willing to marry. None at all. The shortage is in men that women consider good enough to marry. In a reasonable society, women would accept that not every one of them could get the best man. But in our current, twisted mess, just about every woman thinks she deserves an above average man. That leaves half of us men with no prospects. And it leaves half of women to complain that there's no one willing to marry them. In actual fact, they ignore perfectly decent men every day, while insisting that none exist. Women aren't complaining that I won't marry them. They're complaining that Brad Pitt won't marry them. I, and millions of men just like me, simply don't count. Our only use is as a statistic, to "prove" that men refuse to marry, even while we're utterly ignored by those doing the complaining.
I'm 36, and never married. Never had the opportunity. I used to want a wife, and children... All the things you berate me for not having. It doesn't look like I'll ever have them. I don't think I'm that bad a guy. I'm intelligent, articulate, 5'9", 175, ~12% body fat, cat 1 bike racer, owner of a moderately successful manufacturing company, still have all my hair and teeth. No criminal record. Personality is to too subjective, but I'm reasonably well liked by most people, men and women. But in terms of dating, at least in Southern California, I don't exist. I'm not deemed good enough for the chubby, marginally employed, shockingly indebted, past-their-prime ex-sluts, who make up almost all of the appropriately aged single women in this area. They're all utterly certain that they can do better. Yet they're just as alone as I am. But they never see the connection.
I don't think of myself as a MGTOW. I don't think of myself as anything. I'm just me. I guess MGTOW is as good a description as any. But it's not a choice I've ever made. I still try, occasionally. I ask out about one woman a month. Maybe three a year say yes. One or two of them actually show up. Just yesterday, I was stood up by a chubby, unemployed, 28 year old, who I've known for 10 years. I guess she was feeling especially lonely when she said yes, and got over it. I wonder if she knows that I only asked her out because I was feeling especially lonely that day. (I got over it, too) She's probably convinced herself that I somehow wronged her by asking her out, and therefore won't speak to me again, so I doubt I'll ever know.
I just don't care anymore. I can't care. If I thought of marriage as a sacred duty to God, country, and all man kind, as you insist I should, I would have put a bullet in my head a long time ago. I'm not strong enough to keep, as my first priority in life, a goal that all my experience tells me I'll never attain. So I try my best to be happy with what I can have. I've learned to accept, mostly, that the Lord made me for some other purpose. But I have no patience for self-righteous fools, who think they're qualified to run other people's lives. Your opinion, in addition to being misinformed, arrogant, and sadistic, is your own. Unless you can show me where the Bible requires men to drag unwilling women to the alter, leave God out of it.
I'm not trying to run your life. You can do whatever you want. Whether or not your wants match God's desire for your life is a different thing. I am trying to wake up these men that take care of their sexual drive personally. Doing that isn't okay. The sexual drive in you isn't an accident. God put that in you on purpose.
DeleteHe gave you the blueprint for this feature that makes men like sex so much. It's called marriage. Three per year isn't even trying. To find a wife, you need to be going through that many per week.
"Let them eat cake!"
DeleteYou're not waking anyone up to anything. You're gloating, and claiming you do it in the name of God. As I said, misinformed, arrogant, and sadistic.
I can play this game, too. God made you to run a marathon in under 3 hours. I can. So if you can't, you must be living in sin. What? You say you already run 20 miles a week, and you just can't get that fast? Well that just means you're evil, for not running 100 miles a week. You say you used to run that much, and it didn't make you any faster? Well you just need to keep trying until you die. Eliminate everything else in your life. Your only purpose is to run.
How long do you think you could keep that up? You're telling me 20 years wasn't long enough. I'm telling you to go to hell. I'm not sitting here with an Xbox controller in one hand, and my **** in the other. I'm in heavy training for bike racing, I'm building up business in the machine shop I built from scratch, and I'm working a full time job to pay for it all. The only reason I'm wasting my time here is that I'm recovering from a race. What, exactly, are you doing with your life?
Women aren't interested in me. I've come to accept that. If rubbing my nose in it makes you feel better about yourself, that says more about you than I ever could. After decades of trying it your way, with zero success, I'm spent. I'm tired of dealing with fools like you, telling me I'm evil because I can't do what you did. Well, I can do a lot of things you can't. And those are the things I'm focusing on now. I don't owe it to you, or society, or to the women who've turned me down, to keep chasing them, even as their looks wither, and their personalities sour. And your continued insistance that I owe it to God, is as absurd as it is blasphemous.
Also, reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it? Math clearly isn't, either.
Faulty analogy. You lose.
DeleteI don't care what you think about what you owe to God. The fact that you are butt sore reveals your problems.
Anonymice don't get to say they said something before. Again, you lose.
Math and physics is actually my thing. I' ve got proof.
No, I'm owning up to my faults, and getting on with my life.
DeleteKeep gloating. You're displaying your character for the world to see.
And if math is your thing, how do you come up with 12=3?
DeleteShould've posted this on April 1st.
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ReplyDeleteProps to you for this post, but you might be painting with too broad a brush.
at the risk of sounding trite, NAMGTOWALT.
Sure, there are those who are professional whiners and complainers, talking about how awful everything is and there's no hope and it's all going to hell in a handbasket and it's all women's fault. But with all due respect, I don't hear men blaming God for their problems.
If you're talking about MGTOWs having extramarital sex to satisfy their urges, you're right that that's unbiblical. You're also correct that marriage is the biblically proper outlet for that intense male sexual desire. If you're saying that this kind of MGTOW doesn't lead to long term happiness and contentment, you're correct. But most MGTOWs are not really taking issue with that.
Most MGTOWs are saying this is the best I can do; I've tried and can't do better; I'm satisfied with what I can get. Most men are OK with being "satisfied" and "content" rather than with "joy" and "happiness". For them this is their "peace that surpasses all understanding", I suppose.
What you say has some validity; but probably not for all men who identify as GTOW.
Sorry. This anonymous post is by deti.
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California anonymous is also looking right past the problem: he is in California!! I was stationed there for six years. A very marriageable woman and friend in my church complained to me as she looked right past me that there were no marriageable men. I told her she needed to get her ass out of California and go back to Texas or similar parts, otherwise she would die an old maid.
ReplyDeleteSure enough she moved back to Texas, met a good old Oklahoma boy whose wife had died leaving him with four kids whom my friend has known for years. She married him, the kids got a mom who is also a school teacher, and she got to have a baby of her own in her mid thirties. You think God put that together? Damn straight.
California anonymous is ignoring a sales basic: go where the customers are.
"Beating your own meat isn't the plan He had for you."
ReplyDeleteActually, if I were to die single and never married, my (socially conservative, Evangelical) church leadership would just shrug and assume that that was "God's will for my life." Because they're really just a bunch of fatalistic mo-fos, deep down.
"I will not whine and blame God for not having a wife."
Neither will I, but why would I still endeavor to join a christian community via marriage that constantly exhorts men to "Lead" but refuses to exhort the lady-folk to "Follow?" Christian men GTOW is born of the dispair that their churchian community in incapable of providing suitable women as marriage partners. What hope do you offer to the contrary? Heaping additional scorn on them at this point seems counterproductive, to say the least.
...but why would I still endeavor to join a christian community via marriage that constantly exhorts men to "Lead" but refuses to exhort the lady-folk to "Follow?"
DeleteBecause God calls you to lead. Shame works.
One cannot lead if there are no followers.
DeleteLuke 5:31-33
ReplyDelete31 And Jesus answered and said to them, “It is not those who are well who need a physician, but those who are sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance.”
Luke 15:7
I tell you that in the same way, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.
Acts 26:20
but kept declaring both to those of Damascus first, and also at Jerusalem and then throughout all the region of Judea, and even to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds appropriate to repentance.
Matthew 3:7-9
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming for baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruit in keeping with repentance; 9 and do not suppose that you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham for our father’; for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children to Abraham.
Romans 2:4
Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?
2 Corinthians 7:9
I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us.
2 Corinthians 7:10
For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
2 Peter 3:18
10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and [b]its works will be [c]burned up.
11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
Aberdeen, Maryland, Verizon Internet Services (71.179.141.150)
Delete"redlegbenApril 30, 2013 at 11:16 PM
ReplyDelete...but why would I still endeavor to join a christian community via marriage that constantly exhorts men to "Lead" but refuses to exhort the lady-folk to "Follow?"
Because God calls you to lead. Shame works."
Matthew 23:9-11
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. 10 Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. 11 But the greatest among you shall be your servant.
Shame only "works" if it from the LORD. If not, it leads to destruction.
"Fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, knowledge of the Holy One is understanding"
You have the fact that God is a righteous judge understood, but it seems to have escaped you that He is ALSO lovingkindness.
He deals with us as with sons.
James 5:9-11
9 Do not complain, brethren, against one another, so that you yourselves may not be judged; behold, the Judge is standing right at the door. 10 As an example, brethren, of suffering and patience, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. 11 We count those blessed who endured. You have heard of the endurance of Job and have seen the outcome of the Lord’s dealings, that the Lord is full of compassion and is merciful.
You should be more careful with your words.
Aberdeen, Maryland, Verizon Internet Services (71.179.141.150)
DeleteThis is some holier-than-thou judgmental garbage. You do not know God's plan for my life. I screen women based on Christian principles and have found NONE who are virtuous enough for me. So I will continue to go my own way until God creates a virtuous woman. Take up MGTOW with God.
ReplyDeleteKeep being all-your-gay-self you can be. There used to be a term used for MGTOWs that got together in groups; it was called a gay club. Interestingly, that is where I found my mentor. He helped me understand women at a level I hadn't before.
DeleteWe broke up happy couples in my hedonist days. Today, I use the Truth of that experience to help the lost boys of our society. I'm not alone. There are many trying to help the male losers of our society. The problem is they don't want to do anything to fix themselves.
You can't continue to be a mangina and attract women. A huge part of that is not bitching about women. If you are whining about women, you are weak by definition. You care more about what women can do as opposed to what you are called to do. You are weak. I don't want you around me. You would never have my back. When TSHTF, I need men around me, and you don't even qualify as a Molly Pitcher. That doesn't mean you can't change, but you won't change with me pretending you don't suck at life.
Dear God even Jesus is a troll now.
DeleteYou deserve nothing. Especially nothing virtuous. You are a sinner just like the rest of us. Back your truck up and take some personal responsibility. You have the audacity to demand something from God. How Jonah of you. Moron. Don't comment again.
Delete"...go forth and multipy..." unless it hurts your feelings or you lose money. Oops, wait it doesn't say that last part.
ReplyDeleteMost every person I've ever met that was married was unhappy. The problem is that women don't feel they should submit anymore.
ReplyDeleteAll I hear about are marriages where the man is frustrated and the woman 'doesn't feel like it.'
Find a trustworthy woman who will submit to me in marriage. Sure! Where?
You don't hang out with the people I do then. Seriously, if you are looking for a wife, you need to find people that are happily married. Happily married couples raise children (boys and girls) that understand biblical marriage.
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